Is what I’m seeing a lot of on these forums. It’s got me thinking.“White Knights” swooping in when anything remotely critical of the game gets mentioned. You are trolling.“Griefers” swooping in when anything remotely positive gets mentioned about the game. You are trolling.Abject, thoughtful, constructive discussion has largely dissipated on these forums.

Perhaps it never existed.Suggestions of how to improve the game often get shot down at some point. Ideas that people have to progress the ‘game as service’ get squashed. Not with constructive discussion. With bile.Blindly defending the game and Rare is actually harmful. The game has flaws. It’s plain for all to see.It also has an incredible base that needs our input to progress as we’d like it to.

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Rather than just criticising Rare or the game for the sake of it - maybe we could add suggestions to improve it.I think my point is: add something constructive to a thread that helps the game - with every post you do - rather than spitting at each other.I’m no saint. I’ve got into arguments I wish I hadn’t.

I’ve gone way off topic when I knew I shouldn’t have.But I now see this.I’m hopeful I can now add something constructive to every thread, with every post I make - for the good of the game.We all love the game. We may not agree with each other. But endless threads that descend into chaos are doing nothing positive for the game.“If you haven’t got anything ‘constructive’ to say, don’t say anything at all”.Perhaps with this in mind - less threads would descend into chaos. This game is unlike many others, yet has similarities to many. It brings a variety of gamers together and because we are how are, there is a divide.

The most redundant thread titles are lines in the sand, and we all children crying out our differences and opinions.Lol even then those on the forum are a very small portion of who plays the game. Ever try and start an Xbox clan, with a forum based roster? It's like pulling teeth to get people just to get into the clan site lol.In the tech alpha some of us knew how the community would turn towards chaos. We were just nay sayers though.No doubt it is harmful.

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Wondered when I’d see you here:)The topic is about chaotic threads and how they “could” be harmful to the development of the game.“The game as service” is a fantastic example of where we disagree. For me, Rare want our feedback and suggestions - and as I stated, we have a ‘slim’ chance our ideas will be implemented.If the model was to create a basic game, with little variety and for it to stay that way - or to be drip fed new content - that we as a community have literally no say in - then the model is seriously flawed and insulting for its price tag. Why would I spend top whack on anything in life if it wasn’t the finished article?The game is a base. It will be added to. But the model only works if we as the community get a say in how it progresses. Otherwise it’s a rip off and I’d like to believe it’s not.So threads with our suggestions, feedback and ideas are very important to the game.

But only if they stop being so chaotic. I believe there are a great many pirates on the forums who are very passionate about the game and the content/mechanics/playstyles they would like to see.I believe where everything breaks down slightly is where our discourse is directed 'at the human/organisation' behind the post, rather than the idea.e.gWoot! Everyone can share their bananas!' I disagree that the idea of being able to give away my bananas is a good one, I'm going to feel guilty every time a crewmate dies and I have some in my inventory.'

'Rare are stupid to let this happen, why on earth would you think being able to hand over valuable hard to find items is a good idea, now I'm going to get trolled over not giving away my bananas when someone who didn't bother to collect resources is dying'Probably not a very good example, but there we go.There are constructive threads and discussions, possibly just not around the topics which are most popular at the time. Pirates want their voices to be heard, both for and against an idea.I also read somewhere very recently about negative feedback and steam reviews. So all types of discussion have value.The study estimates that 42 percent of Steam reviews provide 'valuable' feedback, value defined here as specific pros, cons, or bug reports. Although the study found that more of that sort of feedback appears in negative reviews, Lin and the team stress that positive reviews can also provide useful information, such as which features are important to players and can be expanded. Absolutely.Negativity is not a problem. Nor is positivity.As you said, it’s the human nature - mud slinging, that I feel bogs down any decent discussion, suggestion or concept.As long as Rare can sift through it all I guess it doesn’t matter.I think my feeling is that the more posts that are constructive and thoughtful, the easier it will be to find the gems, the better it will be for the progression of the game.It’s so disappointing when a thread starts off so well, has a great discussion going on, to see it derail too early into chaotic sniping.But we’re all human.Unfortunately. I can’t believe this, as we’ve locked horns on a few occasions, but I agree with you;)Rare shouldn’t just include the ideas of the loudest.

I think a lot of upvotes however should be taken on board - otherwise what’s the point of the function.They’re making their game - the way they want to. I doubt very much the structure of what we have now will change much at all - which is good.But our suggestions are valuable. This to me was a major draw of the game.And if all we’re doing is squabbling, sniping and generally being horrible to each other the game ‘could’ suffer for a lack of coherent suggestion. I think one of the biggest problems we have is the way people reply to threads and each otther, theres not really much debate and where there is it usually end up people getting offended and feeling like they are being attacked for there views and results in an argument.The second one is when people actually reply to an idea which they dpnt agree with a majority of people just try to shut it down like saying it 'It wont work' 'Its against Rares plans' ect.Yet they offer know alternative idea, or a way to comprismise ideas or even expand on them. Instead of just shuttig an idea down because you dont think it fits the game, expand on it. How would you make it fit the game?

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Say why it doesnt and try and think off a different solution or a workaround for there problem. This is exactly my point.It’s fairly basic techniques learnt, or should have been, at a relatively young age.What, why and how.If these are always implied when writing. A discussion, an argument, anything. It would make reading threads and posts feel a little more cohesive.It may enable us to better understand each other, and have less toxicity - without threads descending into battlegrounds.Far be it for me to say how people should communicate.

But there are better ways than others.I actually prefer chaos to order. But not when communication is concerned.

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Post by champskees on Oct 27, 2013 8:35:58 GMT